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		<title>Comment on Historical Timeline: Spain, 1510-1616 by Finding Don Quijote &#187; Blog Archive &#187; La vida de Cervantes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finding Don Quijote &#187; Blog Archive &#187; La vida de Cervantes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out more about the life and times of Cervantes.  Visit this Cervantes blog that has a timeline of Cervantes&#8217; time.  Answer the questions on La época de Cervantes.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] out more about the life and times of Cervantes.  Visit this Cervantes blog that has a timeline of Cervantes&#8217; time.  Answer the questions on La época de Cervantes.  [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nabokov&#8217;s Lectures on Don Quixote: Two Portraits: Don Quixote and Sancho Panza by Amateur Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amateur Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don Quixote&quot; is a complicated book, with a lot to get. Nabokov may not &quot;get&quot; parts of it, but he has real, original insights into other parts. Read the section on the inset romances, or the ideas about the end of the novel. Also, without agreeing with every example, Nabokov demolishes the conceit that the novel is a series of defeats for Don Quixote.

Nabokov would have preferred to write about something else. At Harvard, he was forced to include &quot;Don Quixote&quot; in a literature survey course. These lectures are the result. He never taught the book again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don Quixote&#8221; is a complicated book, with a lot to get. Nabokov may not &#8220;get&#8221; parts of it, but he has real, original insights into other parts. Read the section on the inset romances, or the ideas about the end of the novel. Also, without agreeing with every example, Nabokov demolishes the conceit that the novel is a series of defeats for Don Quixote.</p>
<p>Nabokov would have preferred to write about something else. At Harvard, he was forced to include &#8220;Don Quixote&#8221; in a literature survey course. These lectures are the result. He never taught the book again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Don Quixote and Melancholy by brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been mentioned that Don Quixote is well intentioned.   I think that’s right, but it’s a mystery how we are to interpret this.

A strange feature of the book is its violence.   Ears are cut off, teeth are knocked out, shoulders are smashed - vomitings, batterings, bludgeonings are standard fare. There is much blood here.   One on side, we see Don Quixote as a loveable innocent, a well intentioned rogue, but on the other side his innocence is hurting many others.   Does that bother us, and how does it affect our ideas about the good intentions of Quixote?   

Two scenes in the book show the consequences of even the best intentions.   Andrés is a boy being beaten by his master when Quixote stumbles upon them. Quixote tells the master to stop the flogging and to pay the boy his full wages.   After Quixote leaves the master beats Andrés all the more because of Quixote, with each blow mocking Quixote.   Later when Andrés sees Quixote, he tells the Knight never to help him again or to come to his aid, even if he is being torn to pieces.   In the second scene Quixote attacks a funeral procession, believing that in the hearse “lay the body of some knight either slain or dangerously wounded, the revenge of whose misfortune was reserved for [Quixote´s] prevailing arm.”   Chapter 20.   In the attack Quixote breaks the leg of a young priest, who says that he does not understand how Quixote as a knight-errant, ‘“can call that to right and relieve men, when you break their legs.   You’ve made crooked that which was right and straight before; and Heaven knows whether it can ever be set right as long as I live.   Instead of relieving the injured, I fear you have injured me past relief; and while you seek adventures, you have made me meet with a very great misadventure.’   ‘All things,’ replied Don Quixote, ‘are not blessed alike with a prosperous event.’”   Thus, the good intentions of Quixote have a way of bruising those around him, and Quixote basically says that luck and chance happeneth to them all. 

When Cervantes wrote the book (1604-1614), religion was in turmoil.   The Catholic Church as a body had been badly bruised. The Protestant Reformation, a response to the abuses of the Church, was established and continuing, and the responding Counter Reformation of the Catholic Church was an attempt to re-squeeze Spain.   Simultaneously, society was becoming more secularized, as the ancient Church lost the grip that it had held during the Dark and Middle Ages.   (Though there was a strong Islamic culture in southern Spain in the 16th and 17th century because of the Moorish influence from northern Africa - which influence we often see in &quot;Don Quixote&quot; - Spain was still predominantly a Catholic country.)   The Church and all it comprises were very much on the minds of early 17th century Spaniards.   It is possible to read the book as Cervantes, a Catholic caught in the midst of the changes, putting in his two pesos worth.   He could be suggesting either that (i) the good intentions of whatever organization, church, state or otherwise, cannot justify harsh results, or (ii) the ways of God can’t be fully understood by man.

In the first interpretation above Quixote may be a symbol of a power that cannot be understood except through the painful, and apparently random, knocks we receive from it.   This interpretation seems to tear-down faith.

In the second interpretation above Quixote may be a symbol of our search to understand the ways of God.   In this interpretation we may struggle in the search, but any difficulty should be understood as a limit on our present abilities to see the big (real) picture and not as an indictment of higher powers.   This interpretation seeks the limits of theodicy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy - which concerns itself with explaining or justifying the ways of God to man. Why, as God is omniscient, omnipresent and omni-benevolent, are people born into terrible poverty and misery, why are there natural disasters, , what purpose does disease serve, why does evil exist?   In effect Quixote may personify the question: Why can´t the Knight bless events with a happy result/Why if God is well intentioned and powerful do bruises, to individuals or the church body, happen?   Maybe Cervantes tells us through Quixote that in spite of explanations (such as man’s free agency, etc) ultimately it cannot be fully understood by man.   Just like we can´t fully grasp what is happening in Quixote´s brain.   This interpretation seems to build-up faith - or at least not tear it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been mentioned that Don Quixote is well intentioned.   I think that’s right, but it’s a mystery how we are to interpret this.</p>
<p>A strange feature of the book is its violence.   Ears are cut off, teeth are knocked out, shoulders are smashed &#8211; vomitings, batterings, bludgeonings are standard fare. There is much blood here.   One on side, we see Don Quixote as a loveable innocent, a well intentioned rogue, but on the other side his innocence is hurting many others.   Does that bother us, and how does it affect our ideas about the good intentions of Quixote?   </p>
<p>Two scenes in the book show the consequences of even the best intentions.   Andrés is a boy being beaten by his master when Quixote stumbles upon them. Quixote tells the master to stop the flogging and to pay the boy his full wages.   After Quixote leaves the master beats Andrés all the more because of Quixote, with each blow mocking Quixote.   Later when Andrés sees Quixote, he tells the Knight never to help him again or to come to his aid, even if he is being torn to pieces.   In the second scene Quixote attacks a funeral procession, believing that in the hearse “lay the body of some knight either slain or dangerously wounded, the revenge of whose misfortune was reserved for [Quixote´s] prevailing arm.”   Chapter 20.   In the attack Quixote breaks the leg of a young priest, who says that he does not understand how Quixote as a knight-errant, ‘“can call that to right and relieve men, when you break their legs.   You’ve made crooked that which was right and straight before; and Heaven knows whether it can ever be set right as long as I live.   Instead of relieving the injured, I fear you have injured me past relief; and while you seek adventures, you have made me meet with a very great misadventure.’   ‘All things,’ replied Don Quixote, ‘are not blessed alike with a prosperous event.’”   Thus, the good intentions of Quixote have a way of bruising those around him, and Quixote basically says that luck and chance happeneth to them all. </p>
<p>When Cervantes wrote the book (1604-1614), religion was in turmoil.   The Catholic Church as a body had been badly bruised. The Protestant Reformation, a response to the abuses of the Church, was established and continuing, and the responding Counter Reformation of the Catholic Church was an attempt to re-squeeze Spain.   Simultaneously, society was becoming more secularized, as the ancient Church lost the grip that it had held during the Dark and Middle Ages.   (Though there was a strong Islamic culture in southern Spain in the 16th and 17th century because of the Moorish influence from northern Africa &#8211; which influence we often see in &#8220;Don Quixote&#8221; &#8211; Spain was still predominantly a Catholic country.)   The Church and all it comprises were very much on the minds of early 17th century Spaniards.   It is possible to read the book as Cervantes, a Catholic caught in the midst of the changes, putting in his two pesos worth.   He could be suggesting either that (i) the good intentions of whatever organization, church, state or otherwise, cannot justify harsh results, or (ii) the ways of God can’t be fully understood by man.</p>
<p>In the first interpretation above Quixote may be a symbol of a power that cannot be understood except through the painful, and apparently random, knocks we receive from it.   This interpretation seems to tear-down faith.</p>
<p>In the second interpretation above Quixote may be a symbol of our search to understand the ways of God.   In this interpretation we may struggle in the search, but any difficulty should be understood as a limit on our present abilities to see the big (real) picture and not as an indictment of higher powers.   This interpretation seeks the limits of theodicy &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy</a> &#8211; which concerns itself with explaining or justifying the ways of God to man. Why, as God is omniscient, omnipresent and omni-benevolent, are people born into terrible poverty and misery, why are there natural disasters, , what purpose does disease serve, why does evil exist?   In effect Quixote may personify the question: Why can´t the Knight bless events with a happy result/Why if God is well intentioned and powerful do bruises, to individuals or the church body, happen?   Maybe Cervantes tells us through Quixote that in spite of explanations (such as man’s free agency, etc) ultimately it cannot be fully understood by man.   Just like we can´t fully grasp what is happening in Quixote´s brain.   This interpretation seems to build-up faith &#8211; or at least not tear it down.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On finishing Don Quixote by Sylvia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m stalled too, Heather. We can bring up the rear together. ;)</description>
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		<title>Comment on On finishing Don Quixote by Heather T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve completely stalled in my DQ reading again but I think I&#039;ll keep the link to this blog on my reading blog and perhaps at some point in the Winter I&#039;ll pick it up again. Thanks Dorothy for starting this group, I&#039;ve enjoyed reading everyone&#039;s posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve completely stalled in my DQ reading again but I think I&#8217;ll keep the link to this blog on my reading blog and perhaps at some point in the Winter I&#8217;ll pick it up again. Thanks Dorothy for starting this group, I&#8217;ve enjoyed reading everyone&#8217;s posts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On finishing Don Quixote by Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished DQ on Monday and am very thankful for this blog for helping me to start and keeping me going. It was well worth it. I found the second book an easier read.  DQ and Sancho emerged as more sympathetic characters to me than in the first book where they could just be plain annoying.  I too found the ending quite sad and abrupt. But maybe there is a message there too about the importance of reading.  While the story pokes fun at DQ&#039;s belief in the chivalric novels, as soon as the life the books created for him is taken away (by his defeat) and he &quot;regains his senses&quot; he becomes ill, faints away and dies. Yes, DQ probably took it a bit far, but maybe he shows us that reading and believing helps generate the creative energy to sustain life.  Just a thought...  Thanks again to all who posted helpful information and comments along the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished DQ on Monday and am very thankful for this blog for helping me to start and keeping me going. It was well worth it. I found the second book an easier read.  DQ and Sancho emerged as more sympathetic characters to me than in the first book where they could just be plain annoying.  I too found the ending quite sad and abrupt. But maybe there is a message there too about the importance of reading.  While the story pokes fun at DQ&#8217;s belief in the chivalric novels, as soon as the life the books created for him is taken away (by his defeat) and he &#8220;regains his senses&#8221; he becomes ill, faints away and dies. Yes, DQ probably took it a bit far, but maybe he shows us that reading and believing helps generate the creative energy to sustain life.  Just a thought&#8230;  Thanks again to all who posted helpful information and comments along the way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Don Quixote and Melancholy by Dorothy W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothy W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to place DQ within a long tradition of melancholy; I&#039;ve been meaning to read The Anatomy of Melancholy for a long time, which would be part of the tradition too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to place DQ within a long tradition of melancholy; I&#8217;ve been meaning to read The Anatomy of Melancholy for a long time, which would be part of the tradition too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On finishing Don Quixote by Rhinoa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhinoa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished it last night and was upset by the ending as well. It wasn&#039;t so much that he died as that was to be expected as everyone does, it was that he regained his senses and thought himself a fool. It seemed he was happier as a knight errant or even a shepherd errant and I wish he could have died thinking himself a hero who books had been made about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished it last night and was upset by the ending as well. It wasn&#8217;t so much that he died as that was to be expected as everyone does, it was that he regained his senses and thought himself a fool. It seemed he was happier as a knight errant or even a shepherd errant and I wish he could have died thinking himself a hero who books had been made about.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cervantes&#8217; Stand by Dorothy W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothy W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point.  I can see how Don Quixote&#039;s madness might be analogous to a religious belief that is (supposedly) beyond question -- the sacred text(s) cannot be wrong! I&#039;m curious to see what you&#039;ll make of the ending when you get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point.  I can see how Don Quixote&#8217;s madness might be analogous to a religious belief that is (supposedly) beyond question &#8212; the sacred text(s) cannot be wrong! I&#8217;m curious to see what you&#8217;ll make of the ending when you get there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting into the Swing by Tim Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely.  After several failed attempts at reading DQ, I am now on Chapter 47 and completely enthralled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely.  After several failed attempts at reading DQ, I am now on Chapter 47 and completely enthralled.</p>
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